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We all know the latin.. wait you don't? ok it's a language thats a little over 2000 years old, in latin marriage is normally found as latin slang "Maritatre" used to poke fun at a guy because the meaning in latin comes from the official word Maritax, translated literally (Mar = Mother, i = and, tax = contract) meaning "Mother and Contract" used as a slang to make fun of a man for not creating the opposite "Mother without a contract" the slang is the equivalent of roman child support hazing. where as the legal word described that a contract has been signed to agree to woman bearing your legitimate offspring.

that means in latin law, if the woman cheats and it cannot be proven the child is yours the contract is void. however the contract did not request the same from the man, the woman's end of the contract was to ensure her womb would be unpoluted by other sperm, the man's payment for this service was financial support and caretaking of the girl and her child(ren) till they were full grown and moved out or no longer in need of a parent's help. However most parents did not live long enough to see their children fully grown and no longer needing their care, so more often than not it was a contract till death. However as the contract did not require the man to stay loyal it was allowed for a man to have other women/wives.

A Mother without a contract, or a woman who does not get the guy to sign a contract for making a child with her, yet still has a kid by that man, in roman times was considered an harlot (whore), and it was to be assumed that she recieved some form of renumeration already for the sex. that means child support claims could only be made if there was a contract signed. the old "I have his baby, he owes me money" judge "I see, would the kind woman please produce the contract disclosing the payment" woman "it was a verbal contract" judge "ah why waste you my time harlot begone! no renumeration for you, you will have already recieved your payment"

the reason for this is that a typical woman can only have one man's kid at a time, where a man is different in that he can impregnate multiple women in short order. the significance is that in life, you never know if tomorrow you will die a horrible painful death, you can't afford to wait 9 months for some other dick's sperm to finish up in there to get your shot in, you might have a terrible accident in those 9 months, you might end up as a royal Eunuch for the emperor because you went broke and couldn't pay your taxes, or maybe you're thrown to the lions in the Colosseum.. but when talking about a man having multiple women, women considered it an Honour of their character and beauty that a man would want to knock them up, they really desperately wanted to have children to prove that they had some value other than basic knitting and light chores (which paid very poorly in those days because most people did their own), and the real work one could survive on (the kind that actually makes necessary items like collecting the wool or plants or animal skins to make the damn threads you are weaving, or brings back actual food or resources you need to stay alive) required physical and emotional strength, and probably blood, sweat, tears and scars.

So as long as you knocked them up they really didn't care if you went to knock up another, so long as their livelihood and that of their children would be financed by you. besides the longest wait they'd have to endure if you took them simultaneously and were serious is maybe 30 minutes rest inbetween. (Reload! get me something sweet and something to drink your pussy is next!)




Hebrew

Hebrew has been found to have existed as far back as 3800 BC, found on pottery shards from the slaves district in Egypt.

Marriage in hebrew is עוֹנה
Hebrew is read backwards (right to left), this word is pronounced "ow'nah" .. heh sounds to me like someone has regrets! the y looking character on the right is Ayin meaning (Fountain of the body, mouth, sweaty skin, eyes, pussy, urethra, (genitals) etc. especially with liquid) the i looking thing is "oh" or "uh" and means "and" the backwards C shaped thing ] more like a square bracket closer is called "nun" and means (propagate, increase, offspring), and lastly the "n" shape is "heh" heh, didn't see that one coming did ya? heh means (the, when at the end of the word it eccentuates the meaning of the rest of the word.

the literal translation is then:

The propagation of offspring via the genital liquids.

Not holding any punches there it was all about the cum! them early hebrew chicks were cum-hungry! and desired kids for the same reasons as the romans.

quite an interesting contrast between today's society, the majority of "women" (if you can call them that, I prefer whore or feminazi) don't want kids, they are deathly afraid of men and erect penises, they want all cum to be sterile, and marriage has basically been dumbed down to be "a love contract awww.." and love has been dumbed down to "a feeling like butterflies in my stomach". no sense of care nor mutual responsibility to desire to want to work hard to further eachother's genetic code in an offspring, and worst of all? Absolutely no respect, hell it might as well all be about money and tax breaks and hospital visitation rights... and a big house in a nice part of a big city and a luxury car and luxury clothes every month, and they don't want to lift a finger, they just want to do them, and you (man) do the everything else. how far has society fallen in 5800 years?!

they don't even know how to sew or weave or repair clothes or cook... Worthless!!!

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Sounds to me like this contract of old has had way too many ammendments and has no value other than a quick fuck to the guy.


then we can bring the stupid faggots into this, if marriage is all about creating kids by making women into mothers, I guess that would mean faggot marriage is literally speaking impossible. and technically those faggots who find and groom a girl to be their surrogate and have her sign a contract are actually technically signing a marriage to that girl. damn people have gotten stupid.. they don't even know how to discern the meaning of a word by it's language root nor the characters thereof!

Worthless Humanity!

I hope christ comes back soon and torches this shithole. things cannot continue like this! :pirate :fireeye

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Why is this topic on Tokyo University section? Please correct the content redirection.

Anyways, wat you arguing for is sexual/sensual slavery! Where women not equal, more or less, eh, yes, okay!

I would have cared, but the world called a shithole has deteriorated to a virtual desert. Even if you are on greener pastures, it's a virtual desert. People, despite the advocacy of wisdom and intelligence, are not keeping to the ideals of the Renaissance or Consummation, and worship whatever is glorified.

Just look up on collapsology or societal collapse.
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While the ideals of lady or gentry is still upheld, the world runs on its own time scale. Maybe you are just asking for people to wake up to the reality that is crashing down. Of course, waking up depends on a number of conditions. And yes, there is no requirement to wait on a speculator? If this is nature's call of the elements or act of God to compel, so be it. I cannot deny the powers that be.

Yes, there are bad stocks that go around. That includes the people that are considered false self-victimization parasites. Remember, it's not always bad qualities from parasitism itself, but rather an evil intent to obtain ABSOLUTE POWER OF USURPATION! All these demands for multiple properties, vehicles, and disguises in order to own A FIREARM LICENSE!!! That's right, it's all an excuse to acquire firearms. What they do next is anybody's guess. It's time to call in the ATF to bring down the criminals!

As for faggots, they should watch their backs, lest the case that evil woman accomplice plans to off them and make off with their goods. Even faggots, particularly, well enough faggots, also need protection from such usurpers. The sad fact is that they might be the true victims here.

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There are other words in the pre-Abrahamic age too. Those words are considered ancient. Maybe we should research them?
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indeed, this topic was supposed to be educational, hence tokyo U, it also is meant to draw a revealing contrast, and yes perhaps wake people up.

The only other words I would consider researching are the only other written older languages which would be: Egyptian and Phoenician.

there's also chinese but it's been polluted, cantonese is the closest to the ancient language of china but even that is not perfectly in line with old chinese, as ancient chinese was not a tonal language. tones were developed to broaden their vocabulary over time, and to encode their language to make it difficult for outsiders to understand.

Babylonian and arabic came later and were offshoots of the previous mentioned languages mixed with ancient hindi (Persian). it can even be postulated that chinese came later, though china supposedly has some method of authenticating the date of old pots and documents to determine it has a very old history, but I tend not to agree as the chinese language seems to comprise the character stylings of Hebrew mixed with hindi hinting that it developed down the road after those languages.

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We'll take our time, snore.

I wonder about Dark Age civilizations, sure, it is not as mysterious as the title suggests, but it was considered one hell of a time!

I'm sure there are different types of marriages. Some in matriarchal societies long past. Some have even different meanings and roles. Who knows what goes on during the ancient times? There are probably different concepts of consummation.

In fact, there are different types of marriages!
Sexless marriage
Marriage of convenience
Lavender marriage
Sham marriage

Sham marriage, that's like a fraud for an immigrant to get a green card! Of course, the situation depends. Are there ancient sham marriages? Probably, I am not sure though. I know that it's one way to weasel for a STRAW PURCHASING FOR FIREARM (LICENSE)!

Anyways, let's explore the different types of ancient marriages?

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RV-007 wrote:
We'll take our time, snore.

I wonder about Dark Age civilizations, sure, it is not as mysterious as the title suggests, but it was considered one hell of a time!

I'm sure there are different types of marriages. Some in matriarchal societies long past. Some have even different meanings and roles. Who knows what goes on during the ancient times? There are probably different concepts of consummation.

In fact, there are different types of marriages!
Sexless marriage
Marriage of convenience
Lavender marriage
Sham marriage

Sham marriage, that's like a fraud for an immigrant to get a green card! Of course, the situation depends. Are there ancient sham marriages? Probably, I am not sure though. I know that it's one way to weasel for a STRAW PURCHASING FOR FIREARM (LICENSE)!

Anyways, let's explore the different types of ancient marriages?


historically while there were marriages for other purposes, the fact of the matter was that it invalidated the woman who was to be the bride from bearing other men's children, it also invalidated her from even being available to other men. Even if she was not used for child bearing, she was exclusively reserved for this purpose for the one she married. This is the whole meaning of a "marriage".

So if we were to investigate "types", it'd be akin to investigating the reason for owning a firearm license. You could just get the license to own a gun for protection in an emergency, or maybe you want to collect guns as a hobby, or maybe you want to shoot guns at a gun range as a sport, or maybe you want to hunt for sport, or maybe you want to hunt for food. there are many Sub-reasons for the license, but the license itself has a CORE reason for applying for one: having an exclusive right to own and or use a gun.

In this analogy, Marriage also has a core reason for applying for one. in this case, it's the meaning of the word "exclusive rights to breed with that woman". historically this reason is the only reason for a marriage. only in recent years have people lost the meaning of the word and decided to come up with other more abstract understandings of the core principle of the word. and the point is those abstract interpretations are ignorantly moronic when one researches the meaning.

So no, investigating the myriad of types of marriage is not the purpose of this topic. because those are invalid, they are secondary types, there is only 1 core type of marriage.

This topic is to etymologically prove that core type, and discuss the implications of the meaning in different languages cultures. this thread is to discuss the literal meaning of the word in a language as well as the societally accepted tradition of the word in said cultures.


Chinese

If modern chinese marriages are any connection (as they are based on very old traditions), before I look it up I assume a marriage in ancient chinese will be akin to buying an exclusive sexslave for whatever period of time you want.

I get this from the chinese marriage ceremony, where the groom comes to the bride's house and shoves massive sums of money in the parents hands in an attempt to distract them so he may grab his woman and leave the building. this tradition alone specifies that women were little more than products, or objects of value to be bartered and sold. It's my guess this will be revealed when we look at the root of the word in chinese and it's literal meaning.

婚 is the word for marriage in both cantonese and mandarin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_38 the character on the left of the pictograph is "nu" or "woman"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_83 the characteer on the top right is "shi" which means "clan"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_72 the character on the bottom right is "ri" which means "day", "time" or "sun"

here "woman clan day/time" is the most simplistic literal meaning. where clan is synonymous for "immediate family"

So we can say Marriage in chinese means "the day a woman joins your clan", or "the day a woman joins your family", or "the time of life when a woman joins your clan/family"

From this we get the obvious literal meaning of marriage in Chinese:

"the day you and a woman become a clan/family" or "the time of your life when you and a woman form a family"


Here, to form a clan or family insinuates that the clan will grow, and a member of the clan must be blood related so the subsequent members of the clan will be children. whilst not directly stated as in the latin and hebrew, we find the same meaning insinuated. however one thing is stated definitively there must be a woman for there to be a marriage and there must be a clan or family and the day or time for this woman and that clan.

To interpret it as a Legal Description the wording would be "a contract to form a clan with a woman". it's really hard to make a joke here. Except of course when you add the tradition of trowing money to the woman's parents to drag her out the door, because her parents can't stop themselves from at least picking up the money if even to give it back.

"it's the day when you buy a woman to start a clan with"

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I get that marriage is technically some kind of partnership. However, I will keep in mind that we are talking about ancient concepts of marriage.

Since the ancient/historical concept of marriage is in emphasis, I can only assume the ancient/historical norms/standards. Usually, modern outlooks turn away from the old paths to pave their own paths. Of course, not everyone is on the same train of thought, thus be compelled to reactionary action. What one would assume was ancient/historical marriage, could be entirely wrong. I did mention the Dark Ages and any age of conquest? During those eras, marriage could been done by the might of conquest or acts of barbaric savagery. It's a sad, but true fact. I'm not trying to say I'm going all out self-victimization liberal excuse, but there is a matter of moral conflict set in modern times.

Let us say, perhaps ISIL capture hostages. While they are a modern terrorist/resistance organization, their cause seems to be the restoration of the Islamic Golden Age to some comfortable extent. Usually, terrorists would attempt ransom or lest put the hostages and anyone else affected in trade-off cover/peril. Sometimes, they capture spoils of war. Those spoils might be women. The spoils might go into forced marriage by coercion (or least face [some degree of] the consequences). Of course, forced marriages in ancient/historical societies do happen. In either case, forced marriages may involve laws/statutes of legal rape. Yeah, you might am becoming inflammatory, but I only said what would be likely true.

As much I would like to debate about the constructs of marriage, I would like to include the reasons and functions of marriage. Without the reasons and functions, the concept of marriage is void. Surely there are reasons and functions for ancient/historical marriage. You mentioned exclusive right, but that's where the concept of rights get tricky. It will depend on the matter of power. Therefore, I can assume that marriage is supposed to exert some kind of power. Regardless of marriage and power, there is/are divine/etc act(s) that introduced marriage. We might have to go way back in time of Adam, the first man. Maybe today has forgotten to worship this creation myth? Perhaps evil is working hard to fight such worship? At this point/crossroad, I let others decide their own paths.

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Speaking of worship, I know that my post may speak of desecration, but as far as I know, women as hostages can be a great defense mechanism. While marriage might have background of worship, it does not equal to the most merciful. May God be merciful.

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I get that marriage is technically some kind of partnership. However, I will keep in mind that we are talking about ancient concepts of marriage.

Since the ancient/historical concept of marriage is in emphasis, I can only assume the ancient/historical norms/standards. Usually, modern outlooks turn away from the old paths to pave their own paths. Of course, not everyone is on the same train of thought, thus be compelled to reactionary action. What one would assume was ancient/historical marriage, could be entirely wrong. I did mention the Dark Ages and any age of conquest? During those eras, marriage could been done by the might of conquest or acts of barbaric savagery. It's a sad, but true fact. I'm not trying to say I'm going all out self-victimization liberal excuse, but there is a matter of moral conflict set in modern times.

Let us say, perhaps ISIL capture hostages. While they are a modern terrorist/resistance organization, their cause seems to be the restoration of the Islamic Golden Age to some comfortable extent. Usually, terrorists would attempt ransom or lest put the hostages and anyone else affected in trade-off cover/peril. Sometimes, they capture spoils of war. Those spoils might be women. The spoils might go into forced marriage by coercion (or least face [some degree of] the consequences). Of course, forced marriages in ancient/historical societies do happen. In either case, forced marriages may involve laws/statutes of legal rape. Yeah, you might am becoming inflammatory, but I only said what would be likely true.

As much I would like to debate about the constructs of marriage, I would like to include the reasons and functions of marriage. Without the reasons and functions, the concept of marriage is void. Surely there are reasons and functions for ancient/historical marriage. You mentioned exclusive right, but that's where the concept of rights get tricky. It will depend on the matter of power. Therefore, I can assume that marriage is supposed to exert some kind of power. Regardless of marriage and power, there is/are divine/etc act(s) that introduced marriage. We might have to go way back in time of Adam, the first man. Maybe today has forgotten to worship this creation myth? Perhaps evil is working hard to fight such worship? At this point/crossroad, I let others decide their own paths.

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Speaking of worship, I know that my post may speak of desecration, but as far as I know, women as hostages can be a great defense mechanism. While marriage might have background of worship, it does not equal to the most merciful. May God be merciful.


for once you stayed on point and completed clear thoughts. good work.

posting quality aside,

The point I'm making is that modern people who want to change the meaning of marriage, actually don't want a marriage at all, instead they want to create a whole new contract, which if taken through historical language roots would be a different word all together.

marriage has to do with a woman and her family to be, yes that means as you stated that during conquests woman prisoners can actually enter into "marriages" by the loose meaning of the term. It may be that this term is what they want to change, but linguistically then it becomes a different word.

Adam and Eve were married, but that was the very basic Hebrew version of the word. before that they were "partners" or "helpers". according to that situation they were married when they fulfilled the commandment of God "be fruitful and multiply".

I decided to study an additional word related to this; "Wife", it comes from german slang "Wyff", it's actually a degrading word and means little more than "Womb Haver" in other words it notes that this person is no more than a womb with a human body. as such in German the standard word switched to "Frau", which means honourable lady. When we see the word wife to describe Eve as Adam's wife before she had children, this was merely saying she was Adam's Personal-Use Womb.

Granted it is God that Sanctifies marriage. Then we must look at God's description of marriage, fornication and adultery are sins, having covered how adultery is a contract breaker and adultery and fornication are different words outlined separately by God, Fornication becomes relevant in the fact that; If all it took to have a marriage was insemination of a womb who is not with another man, then technically the first person to fornicate with a woman in her first time would technically be married to her, however God clearly calls it fornication, and if there is a child it's a child of whoredom.

Here we must then find out "what is the difference between marriage and a woman's first fornication", Then we bring in both Context of the situations regarding these things in God's word, as well as the linguistic meanings of the words as they no doubt derive from God's laws and presented office of marriage by commanding Adam and Eve. When we look at these things we determine that the thing that sets fornication aside from marriage is the expressed purpose of the union.

What then is this expressed purpose of the union that differentiates fornication from marriage? To answer this we must observe the expressed purpose of each word individually to contrast.
The expressed purpose of Fornication is to enjoy another person with your genitalia till you become sexually gratified. With no further commitment.

The expressed purpose of marriage is to be fruitful and multiply, the expressed purpose is to make a child together and raise it together.


So one is sex for reason of pleasure, and the other is sex for the purpose of furthering your genetic code.

basically if there is no intent on making children via this union then it is not a marriage.



What do people want then? if not marriage, if they just want a sexual pleasurement contract, in Latin that would combine "Phil" or "Eros" for love and Tax for contract, the word would either be Philitax or Erostax which when converted through German to English would be "Phillage" or "Erottage" respectively. Phillage means a friend-love contract. Erottage means a Erotic sexual love contract, where erotic implies it is a contract that aids in the creation of an erection.

These are new words, they are not in a dictionary. but this is what people want today. One could say people want a sexually exclusive partner contract. but even that is not a marriage. You'd have to start with ErosExclusivePhiliTax we would then refine it to Erotexcluphillage.

but that's not a marriage.

So again such as in conquests, the situation surrounding the contract to bear a child is not relevant to the word's meaning. therefore there is only 1 "type" of marriage which can then be done in Multiple different situations. we are not investigating these situations in this thread. Only the primitive Literal meaning of the word itself in different languages.

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Modern people who do, must transgress against the will of God. Lest they be rebels like Lucifer forever to be damned without mercy for they spare none for God. To God, the freedom granted to the people/entities is proof of his grace and mercy. He is holding out for his creations, as the omnipotent father of his children.

Marriage technically involves women, but there are also appointed roles from consorts, courtesans, and concubines (partial marriage). Likewise, these wife-like roles are to benefit certain situations due to fear of undesirable circumstances (example is usurpation [or to avoid unwanted suitees {"looks like my concubine is waiting for me! Gotta go!!!" or "Ou! My wives are calling me, gotta go!!!"}]). During conquests, captured women are assorted into a few scenarios. They might be sold off in the slave market, be put to slave labor, be put in imprisonment, or given the choice to be a concubine given satisfactory conditions. So these "marriages" might actually be roles of slaves, concubines, etc.

As for Adam and Eve, they were married by the approval of God. I mean, God is about the only one around with the authority on marriage at that place and time.

It wouldn't matter if the terminology is supposed to be German or not. Many words are many forms as labels. The functions and associations is what counts in what defines as a marriage. Names are just scratching the surface on the word marriage. It is void without its actions, histories, and origins.

If God was to authorize on marriage, it is one of the many commands he has issued. Of course, God could allow freedom and just provide guidelines/rules about marriage. Whatever laws he wants to enforce, is a different story. Regardless, marriage is technically based on worship, since God had oversee Adam's and Eve's marriage, with postulates on marriage rituals and idolatries hereafter.

I can't say about fornication, but I'm sure that prostitution and surrogacy are the more common words. As you said about people wanting sex/pleasure, sex/pleasure is not without its costs. There are expenses in time, effort, and resources to engage in plays of idolatry. And so, money was born to help out in this business model. Since prostitution is a result in commercial sex trade, it is a crime because it doesn't pay taxes for either state or religion (at least for state and religions of today). I'm sure there was sacred prostitution, but that's a ritual warranting background checks (because the sacred prostitutes/magicians/witchy commands it). Back to the tax evading crime-ridden prostitution, crime always follow both client and worker. They wanna know where they live and if any loose change can be spared. If not, the couple better prepare for a robbery when least expected. Of course, if a hostage situation happens, and the prostitute is the body shield, the client must live with any regrets to come.

When you do say, "... Only the primitive Literal meaning of the word itself in different languages.", it's like you are going in circles, ignoring the cosmological argument of the first cause of causation. Marriage is not object, but an act, an interaction between entities. I wish it was a simple pact between man and woman, but I wouldn't be surprised if other entities in different roles are involved with the pact. Maybe marriage can be taken in a primitive perspective, but it can be quite complicated, especially if at least polygamy, if not courtesans or concubinage (once again, partial marriage), is taken into consideration.

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Modern people who do, must transgress against the will of God. Lest they be rebels like Lucifer forever to be damned without mercy for they spare none for God. To God, the freedom granted to the people/entities is proof of his grace and mercy. He is holding out for his creations, as the omnipotent father of his children.

Marriage technically involves women, but there are also appointed roles from consorts, courtesans, and concubines (partial marriage). Likewise, these wife-like roles are to benefit certain situations due to fear of undesirable circumstances (example is usurpation [or to avoid unwanted suitees {"looks like my concubine is waiting for me! Gotta go!!!" or "Ou! My wives are calling me, gotta go!!!"}]). During conquests, captured women are assorted into a few scenarios. They might be sold off in the slave market, be put to slave labor, be put in imprisonment, or given the choice to be a concubine given satisfactory conditions. So these "marriages" might actually be roles of slaves, concubines, etc.

As for Adam and Eve, they were married by the approval of God. I mean, God is about the only one around with the authority on marriage at that place and time.

It wouldn't matter if the terminology is supposed to be German or not. Many words are many forms as labels. The functions and associations is what counts in what defines as a marriage. Names are just scratching the surface on the word marriage. It is void without its actions, histories, and origins.

If God was to authorize on marriage, it is one of the many commands he has issued. Of course, God could allow freedom and just provide guidelines/rules about marriage. Whatever laws he wants to enforce, is a different story. Regardless, marriage is technically based on worship, since God had oversee Adam's and Eve's marriage, with postulates on marriage rituals and idolatries hereafter.

I can't say about fornication, but I'm sure that prostitution and surrogacy are the more common words. As you said about people wanting sex/pleasure, sex/pleasure is not without its costs. There are expenses in time, effort, and resources to engage in plays of idolatry. And so, money was born to help out in this business model. Since prostitution is a result in commercial sex trade, it is a crime because it doesn't pay taxes for either state or religion (at least for state and religions of today). I'm sure there was sacred prostitution, but that's a ritual warranting background checks (because the sacred prostitutes/magicians/witchy commands it). Back to the tax evading crime-ridden prostitution, crime always follow both client and worker. They wanna know where they live and if any loose change can be spared. If not, the couple better prepare for a robbery when least expected. Of course, if a hostage situation happens, and the prostitute is the body shield, the client must live with any regrets to come.

When you do say, "... Only the primitive Literal meaning of the word itself in different languages.", it's like you are going in circles, ignoring the cosmological argument of the first cause of causation. Marriage is not object, but an act, an interaction between entities. I wish it was a simple pact between man and woman, but I wouldn't be surprised if other entities in different roles are involved with the pact. Maybe marriage can be taken in a primitive perspective, but it can be quite complicated, especially if at least polygamy, if not courtesans or concubinage (once again, partial marriage), is taken into consideration.



"Re: the oldest Ancient words for marriage literal meanings" I'm only arguing about the actual point of the thread. this thread is for a specific purpose. it investigates the literal meaning of the most ancient words for marriage.

not modern.

now with concubines it's a different word and a different office.

A concubine was considered to be a "maid in reserve" she was there to act as a maid, and help in the production of children via the wife, such as as a midwife etc. but in situations where the wife could not give birth the concubine could take the place of a surrogate. it's a different contract and a different word. this thread is not about that word. it might be interesting to make another thread and investigate the literal meaning of the word concubine. But a concubine does not enter into a marriage contract, nor is there a ceremony etc. God also does not ordain them they are merely helpers. An example is that in history it has been recorded that a concubine was taken to wife. if she was already in a marriage as a concubine then why the extra effort to marry her again?

Marriage must include motherhood as the primary purpose of the contract.

as with concubine, the same goes for the other words you are displaying they are not part of the word marriage they are their own entities with their own word.

etymologically speaking marriage must be between a woman and a partner wanting to impregnate her. plain and simple.

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I'm not sure that concubinage is really different from marriage. Maybe partially, but technically, it serves as the same function. Concubinage, or even sex slavery, has that potential/purpose of surrogacy. Now, of course, if marriage involves motherhood, or raising of children, step/foster parents/guardians/master-teachers can help out. It's all about the effort than a set path to failure, to strive than to stray from the powers that be.

Even historical accounts have great/legendary offspring from concubine. Just look at Ishmael, son of Abraham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael). He might been a bastard, but hell, God said aye to him, he's holy.

Jesus, Mary, God, and Joseph. Who's the mother? Who's the father? Who knows?

Marriage is basically like concubinage, only with some official terminology thing, in writing, rubber stamp of approval, I don't know. To shun concubinage is to shun family and even rebel against God.

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aa cow and an ox are similar, yet different. you cannot cross breed them because they are too different. same with a sheep and a goat, they are similar but different. now in Chinese sheep and goats are called the same name "Yang" and oxen and cows are both called "Niu", however thats because their language has not updated from thier primitive thinking days when the language was made, it does not make it correct to say "it's the same thing", a sheep is a sheep, a goat is a goat, a cow is a cow, and an ox is an ox they have different names because of their slight differences which make them different animals.

In the same way it's foolish to say "marriage" and "having a concubine" are essentially the same thing. because they are not. in the same way a learner's driving permit is not a driver's license and a standard driver's license is not a truck or bus grade license, and none of those is even close to a pilot's license! and in pilots licenses there are grades for small planes and grades for commercial planes.

sure go ahead, go buy a big ol tractortrailer and try to drive it with a normal car license. the first time you get to a weigh station on an interstate highway they're going to look at your license and say "no, your other license please" and when you inform them you don't have a truck license they'll assume you have one coming in the mail but haven't been able to get it yet and ask when you'll be able to get it, or demand to see it within one week. and if you fail to provide it, you're going to jail. same with flying a plane with a car license without a Airplane licensed instructor in the plane with you.

marriage and concubineship are different words because the contract is different.

Hagar and Ishmael, Hagar was Abram's handmaiden, she was not even a concubine, it would normally be forbidden for Abram to have sex with his wife's handmaiden, she was merely a caretaker for Sarai, Sarai's personal lady servant for lady matters.

These matters involved cleaning her garments, cooking her food, providing her medicines to try to induce her fertility or milk production, washing blood stains from menstruation out of the sheets etc.

But because it didn't work, and Sarai was still barren, and Sarai in her old age lost faith, decided to "give Hagar to Abram to wife", she wasn't a concubine she was in the office of a wife, she was married. this is a Choice that was made. See when Hagar was married she had a right to call herself the mother of the child, this is different than in a concubineship! in a concubineship the official legal mother of the child is the one for whom you were hired to bear a child, like in a surrogacy, except in a surrogacy some right to the child remains the sole choice of the bearer. Lets list this out clearly so you can compare the differences in these offices.

Marriage: the contract to make children as a wife, a wife has legal right to call herself the mother of the child, she has legal right to claim authority over the child, she has legal right to have the child claim to be her heir, and they are considered to be of the same bloodline and inherit the same family names (they use the father and mother's names). as a wife they have a contractual agreement for the man to support them and their children from the marriage, this includes treating to luxuries to make your wife feel loved.

Surrogate: a surrogate is someone hired to bear a child for you. an additional contract can be administered to grant or restrict rights. But without an additioanl contract the surrogate has a right to reimbursement for food and expenses during the 9 months, and reimbursement for the hardship of labour, and reimbursement and support during the weaning of the child. After which time the surrogate has a right to keep the child and pay back some/all of her upkeep, she will also not recieve any more funding for herself or the child in this case or it is at the hirer's discretion. If she does not choose to keep the child, then the contract is fulfilled and she gets to keep her payment, the child is signed over to the adoptive mother, and now the surrogate has no more claim to the child, his bloodline nor his estate etc. The surrogate is then free to leave as the contract is finished and she will recieve no more imbursement unless she can negotiate more services with new contracts.

Concubine: the contract to hold yourself from other men as a virgin in case there are child bearing troubles. the job of the office is as a Maid in the meantime if her uterus is not needed at that time, then she will earn her keep providing things like massage, cooking sewing and other work for the man, her job entails feeding the man medicine to increase his fertility or sperm count. Her Job is to make him ready to impregnate his wife. If she enters into a surrogacy as a concubine, she has no right to keep the child, she has no choice, the child is deemed her master's wife's, the child will not inherit the concubine's family name, she cannot claim her own child as her heir, the concubine is not considered as of the same bloodline of the child, the concubine has no right to request support for herself other than was already agreed as a concubine, aka a set salary, don't expect any gifts nor luxuries. She should not expect an upgrade to "Wife" status unless her master chooses to do so out of his own free will.

Handmaid: the hand maid is a female aide to a woman of stately birth. Or a hired aide for a woman for the hardships of her life and or marriage. the handmaid cannot marry nor court men while in this office except at the discretion of her Masters, because then there would be some other man constantly visiting the handmaid, or in the same camp one tent over from The Master's Wife. This is expressly forbidden as shenanigans could ensue. The hand maid lives with and takes care of her mistress. Cooking for her, cleaning for her and dealing with nutrition. She typically has no interaction with the husband unless he asks her to do something for his wife. She is at her master's wife's discretion, yet she is not a slave she has a right to deny a surrogacy request or to request an additional contract for that purpose (as it is not with-in her normal job description).

Sex-Slave: a sex slave is a cum bucket. There is a contract, the slave has no right to anything, they are considered as owing a life long debt, they do what their master tells them, she is considered a servant, she must refrain from other men, unless re-sold to them. Their children are often slaves themselves, born into slavery, the master can do what he pleases with their children including resell them as servants or labourers to others. the master can additionally keep them as his own labourers even if they will never see their mother again being kept in a different place. The Master Can decide to use a sex slave as a surrogate, but it'll be his last choice, he'd normally find someone of stately birth like a maid or concubine. In event she is used as a surrogate there is no right for her to request any further contract, the master can decide at his own discretion to upgrade her status to concubine or wife. but that is a rare practice.


as you can see the contracts and interactions of these offices are completely different. they have different responsibilities and different rights.

you cannot equate them to a marriage, as that is not the primary purpose of the relationship.

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Okay, the differentiation is made clear. The past could have a lot of complications. Even the ancient word parts are complicated. For those moments, I thought that the translated words meant as you said, 'cum bucket', since technically the parts form the meaning vagina and something like that. I was thinking, "well, surely other status have the 'cum bucket' function to some degree. I was also thinking that the interpretation of marriage as 'cum bucket', was completely wrong.

It's just my personal opinion that marriage constitutes some familial organization. After all, it's defined as a social/societal contract or union than just biological riff-raff. Someone who parades marriage as just some sex act is way off kelter!

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The point was that the jewish meaning is the closest to said "off kelter" interpretation and thus funny and worth a mention.

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I hope not that the Israelian definition is a reflection of that action. Otherwise, one would believe that there are rapacious/rapist jews mucking about. If taken seriously (and without consent), such connotations will only further justify the Mein Kampf, that racial ideology book. And thus, further the ignition of both violent actions and reactions in eventual inevitability. Of course, if marriage is supposed to have offspring by ceremony than law, I get the general idea, it's just better to have a much clearer definition.

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I hope not that the Israelian definition is a reflection of that action. Otherwise, one would believe that there are rapacious/rapist jews mucking about. If taken seriously (and without consent), such connotations will only further justify the Mein Kampf, that racial ideology book. And thus, further the ignition of both violent actions and reactions in eventual inevitability. Of course, if marriage is supposed to have offspring by ceremony than law, I get the general idea, it's just better to have a much clearer definition.


It's one of the most ancient alpha bets in existance, it was around before greek or latin. it may even be on par with phoenician or even older! it may be the first alphabetic written language, even so, we can tell from the bible what the world was like in the age that it was developed, it was only a few generations after the flood of Noah, civilization was just starting up again, people had spread into small kingdom tribes, whose view of the world was that they had nigh infinite land (compared to their small populace) which they could make use of.

There had alreayd been 1 world war, which at that time was the whole population of the world, so technically what we know as WWII was infact WWIII and the next world war will be WWIV

Their view was: land is good to grow plants and animals for food and clothes and building materials. In order for this to succeed, it'd be much easier if we had a few more men to do the labour work! besides there is infinite land, after they work they can just go start their own kingdom on their own land. So we need to breed and breed a lot!

And so that was their primary focus. This establishes their mindset, which then explains the rather frank and abrupt manner of describing marriage as "the producing of offspring via the genital liquids". In their time and their world that was it. that was perfectly acceptable as the description of a marriage. as time went on though people had questions like "well, after you've had your offspring can I use her to have mine?" and the answer was "FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING CUCK, NO, WAIT, I'LL KILL YOU FOR SUGGESTING IT :x " to which laws were made and later languages would include terminology in their version of the word to describe this kind of "contract" so there was less ambiguity. "mother and contract" soo... if it's a contract then how long do they stay in that contract? the woman and her children will have financial support for the rest of the child's life according to the contract, and the parents will likely die before then, so till death. so no cuckery then? no.

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