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Post Judge declares living off the land illegal.
A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances.

Robin Speronis, a 54-year-old former real estate agent currently living in Cape Coral in a small duplex, has her own solar panels and collects rain water for her needs, She has even installed a simple outdoor shower in order to be independent from the municipal energy and water supply. The local power company and water supply surely have a hand in the Special Magistrate Harold S. Eskin’s ruling that, although the regulations for her city are redundant and unreasonable, she was in violation of city code as well as the International Property Maintenance Code.

Apparently generating your own power and using rainwater or other natural elements is not your sovereign right. Speronis using her own elbow grease to live more in balance with nature is now part of a heated debate.

“Reasonableness and code requirements don’t always go hand-in-hand,” stated Eskin, cunningly inserting his own disagreement with the outrageous rules. Nevertheless, he insists that he is required to enforce them, “whether I want to or not.” We all know this is untrue. He is a judge. He could find other legal precedence for an entirely different determination.

Off The Grid News offers a different opinion, as did Speronis. She has been fighting the city council since November when a code enforcement officer showed up at her home and tried to evict her from her own property for not using public utilities. She challenges that relying on nature for her needs is her personal choice and that it isn’t in violation of anything.

“I am in compliance,” Speronis stated to the News-Press about the saga. “I’m in compliance of living… you may have to hook-up, but you don’t have to use it. Well, what’s the point?”

Speronis has been relying on solar power and rainwater for the past year. She uses a small camp stove to cook and propane lamps for both light and heat. She still admits to using the public sewer system for waste, but she says she has no need for other public utilities. She has no other issues with the city, except for a few alleged violations that were thrown out due to her not receiving proper notice.

Todd Allen is Speronis’ lawyer, who has agreed to represent her pro bono. He says, “It was a mental fistfight . . .there is an inherent conflict in the code.”

Allen is referring to an outdated code that the city of Cape Cod has in place which requires homes to connect to the municipal water system even if they don’t use it. The original intent of the code was to prohibit the use of water wells when public water was available. The city is now applying this to rainwater collection.

Overall, the system is built to discourage any lifestyle, which would make one sovereign – that is, sustainable, and not dependant on government plutocracies. Also in Florida, one couple was forced to dig up their 17-year-old organic garden simply because it was in the front yard. This threatens our very independence, and in a time when our water and soil is being poisoned, forces us to partake of a disenfranchising system, which causes ill health to the masses.

Speronis refuses to bow to the city’s demands, though, even while they force liens on her property and continue to issue more fines associated with her ‘violations.’ She is able to appeal the judge’s decision, which would allow her to carry on with her sustainable lifestyle.

She has said, “We have a long, long road to go. I’m sure justice will prevail.”

Sauce: http://naturalsociety.com/women-fights- ... d-illegal/

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So I think I know why the US economy is FUBAR; it wastes money and time prosecuting people who want to save money.

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Post Re: Judge declares living off the land illegal.
Well I'm not sure aboutr law over there but in my coutry and probably most of Europe that's pretty normal and logical rule.
To make this simple - you live in the urban area, you take space, on your country properity (which is ground itself) so you must obide with the rules of the properity owner.
Tho I'm not sure about the water but to produce electricity and provide it (even to yourself), if the electicity production exceeds certain amount - you must have specyfic certificates from the local governement... and this ceritifacet state most of the time that you have to pay for producing this electricity on the government grounds (that's why it's only pofitable for electric companies that provide it in large amounts).

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Apparently generating your own power and using rainwater or other natural elements is not your sovereign right.

True and logical.
ECONOMY fellas.
You live on government properity (even if it states it's your own on papper, it still stands in your coutries border, and that overrites that rule in some cases, like taxes) - you must pay tax for producind and providing electricity, that's the rule.

Im not sure but the glitch in this law to exploit would only be alowed when she was living in vechicle, like mobile house or a boat, or had floating house.

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Res, that is absolutely ridiculous bullshit.
it is probably the worst thing I've ever heard.
I literally disagree with every word.

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You can disagree with me of course but it won't change anything on that matter. Just like not knowing the law doesn't make any crime justified no matter the intentions behind it.
If you don't agree with the law you have to either leave or play russian roulette and be ready for consequences when you get caught.
Of course country is for people not the other way around but rules have been established for a good logical reasons, even a child can understand it.

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Depends. What is the law made for? What does it do? Does it give an unfair advantage to specific groups while sidelining others?

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Post Re: Judge declares living off the land illegal.
Discussions like this are kind of stupid, because most of the time we let our perceptions of what is "right" or "wrong" to influence our view in the matter. I think this all is wrong, and, without forgetting those rules, there are lots of solutions to this problem that don't smell this bad. Before I start, however, for god's sake, Res, you don't have to be rude.

So, the house must be connected to the water supply system, and the electric supply system. There may be some kind of minimal payment for those services (that's the case here) even if she does not use them. If she's connected, then she must pay this amount, done. Oh, if she produces a lot of energy, she must pay tax on this. Ok, then make her pay the tax. This has jack shit to do with eviction.

Oh, but she was still disobeying the rules, and the code! If this was all so true and logical and simple, there would be no need to go to court. Lots of laws and codes around the world are stupid and full of loopholes because they were made by people who had no idea of what they were legislating about. We witness this every day when they try to legislate about the internet. So, even if the code of whatever say this or that, there are many ways to challenge it. It might be against the constitution. It might be rendered moot by some other conflicting code.

Even if she really can't simply live by herself, it doesn't mean that what's happening is ok. Saying her eviction is normal and logical IS bullshit.

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Post Re: Judge declares living off the land illegal.
Just where exactly in my posts I was rude? Of course I never said it's ok for such circumstances to occur, my point is that this is the law.
Yom. Law is made for people to profit but as whole, not individuals so there always be those that it favors, or rather those that would benefit from it more than others... and in rare ocasions (like this one) those, where it backfires at them.

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Just where exactly in my posts I was rude? Of course I never said it's ok for such circumstances to occur, my point is that this is the law.
Yom. Law is made for people to profit but as whole, not individuals so there always be those that it favors, or rather those that would benefit from it more than others... and in rare ocasions (like this one) those, where it backfires at them.

Oh please, some laws are indeed influenced by people with alot of money in their pockets. Influence for profit happens all the time.

And rarely are all laws made for everyones benifit, or laws would be alot, lot simpler.

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